今日同同事傾開計

[Wolf]

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[crazylo]

agree!!
好hate香港人說"快些吧!! 要交貨呀!!!" 而忽略設計的質素....
所以沒咁外國這麼好呀! 太可惜la!!!

[俏女傭]

完全同意！

[tdk]

那我們應從哪裡開始去改變?

很想聽聽大家的意見.

[moc]

邊有方法架....
而且是大圍適用的...更難!!....
如果去怪環境...政治...制度....
咁樣只系把問題交俾人去解決....
呢個大問題...潛藏在香港很久啦....
只是看幾時破....
我個人愚見.....
大氣候的問題...與其去諗辦法解決...
倒不如想辦法自保...
咱們這個快速低品質的生產形式...
結果會整死咱們相關的從業員....
咱們習慣了...也把自己定型了......定型了做一顆螺絲的角色....
最慘是做一顆低品質的螺絲....
如果一旦香港這部大機器不成.....咱們就憑住這些技倆能殺進國內嗎?
能占到一席位嗎?
相信各位普遍都會覺得國內的這方面從業員(無論入行還是在學的)...手底下的基礎能力都較咱們強......這個相信也不會是錯覺...人家的認真好學態度..本地很難找到...........至於所謂經驗..也只是時間泡出來.......
個人認為....低品質的工作咱們沒有選擇....(要吃飯...買衫...行街....睇戲...唔做點得)......
但如果可以在自己工余或喜好或什麼機會下可以憑自己意願去制作.....
最好是盡量.....磨嚇自己.....能夠自己去創造磨綀機會就更好啦......
於是......一個人作了雙線發展.........一條吃飯.......另一條為未來自保的.....
個人愚見...

[俏女傭]

moc說得很對,抽多一點時閻去雙線發展啦！

[yo~]

其實香港好叻嫁啦,人地韓國系一個國家,念返香港只系一個城市,邊可以一齊比較.而家行業系有唔健康,但要想果d 靠賺快錢興家的呢一代老細改變o下.在下反而希望果d 而家在各行業努力緊的大老,若然將來發左達記住要發財立品~!(唔系?千萬就想賺一億,?一億就想賺十億,之後一個股災又唔見左幾億o甘玩自已的數家游戲)o甘香港呢個神話至有得玩落去.

[pazu]

我都好認同moc,好多時根本唔系做o個班話事,成個大氣候都你咁, 交貨都黎唔切. 就算俾埋你做話事, 最後唔啱佢口味改曬, 都系要改啦.
好多人都知呢個問題, 但咁多年又系冇變, 唔系一兩個人可以改變.
就好似hk comic, 個個鬧,平時買o個班又淨系睇o個類. 但唔畫打打殺殺, 又冇人買. 一系你唔好畫, 但個market都系冇改變.

你夠勁, 自己做d好野,有人欣賞搵你, 咁到o個時就可能有d討價還價因為人地信得過你, 但到真正做, 始終系要聽個client.
想真系有得自己發揮, 最好都系得閒憑自己意願去制作.
一開頭個個都有股熱誠想改變,最後有d連收工都唔想再去做自己野, 有得抖抖就ok

韓國唔系唔好, 但而家佢地d野都有d悶, 水准高, 但好多時style都千篇一律.
中國就開始有驚喜, 再唔系d好中國style. comicker都有好多幾好

[Wolf]

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[luxoJr]

香港是一個沒有明天, 沒有希望, 成世打工為供樓的社會.

[HammerChugoh]

I believe quality should always go first...... other wise no matter how hard you work, eventually you will still got kicked out from the market even though I do agree that you have to be brave to say no to bull shit. Our culture is like that, too much obey and not enough confidence on our own professional talent.

well, we will fix it.

[stantang]

I agree with what Wolf said. You have to respect yourself before other people respect you.

A lot of CG people don't have enough confidence in themselves and their profession because they never consider CG field as an professional field. I'm sure many of them would chose to be a lawyer/doctor/etc... if their academic result was good enough when they were in seconday school. This is the same situation as when I was studying graphic design many years ago. Many of my classmates had bad HKCEE result, they couldn't study Form 6/7 and don't want to work yet. They figured grahic design (no cg/3d/multimedia course at that time) course doesn't require good HKCEE result and seems like a COOL job so they took the course. Many of them couldn't draw or even has no interest in art. Of course, a lot of didn't get a design job after graduration.

If you compare the situation in Hk to US/Europe, many of the CG artist there has either solid art background or computer art knowlegde. They're proud of their profession and willing to keep learning. Many of them has at least a degree.

What I want to say it, not only many 行外人 don't respect our profession, a lot of 行內人 only look at CG as a job. And the worst thing is many students only want to do CG because it looks like a cool job or he/she love to play video games....

[johngalliano]

我覺得每個人最基本應該做喈系say no to bullshit。乜野系為之bullshit？就系人地話乜就自動反應當系乜，唔認真念點解要系甘。同埋要對自己有信心 -- 每個人要自問，系唔系老板一聲“你唔做大把人等住做”就可以鎮住你？系唔系甘睇唔起自己？你打份工系為公司做出無可替代的貢獻，定系接受間公司的救濟？我覺得好多人冇認真念過呢個問題。睇啲想入行喈心態就可見一斑: “有冇公司會收我丫？”“依家世道如何丫？”“我知道我冇乜quali，所以希望入行學下野”。Don't accept half-hearted excuses and full-hearted bullshit from anyone including yourself.

跟住就系要提升自己能力。Artists都需要學scientific methods，logical thinking，programming。techinicians要學design。大家都要提升taste。你地知唔知每日返放工用響搭車喈時間有幾多被浪費咗？我呢一個月內單用返放工時間就睇完幾本書。我自己都覺得驚訝，原來搭車時間可以做甘多野，而我好少見過有人響（香港）地鐵內睇書（除漫畫雜志報紙），同多倫多歐洲東京地鐵情況完全唔同。我系想講，對於學習呢樣野，大家態度應該urgent啲，必要時要捨得廢舊取新。

在天天都很忙的時候好容易被周圍環境控制了，失去原有方向，睇完呢個post, 我有要重新振作的感覺。Keep learning, 極重要。唔好當cg只系玩熟幾只commercial software。我亦好唔鍾意d人只識等有咩即食renderer出俾maya, 務求按嚇制就有好野睇，而唔去study 已經系好有質素保證o既renderman or mental ray.　眼見好多人完全唔好學，只系抱返工，食飯，放工的心態。　　　

[shady_lady]

看到影視店的韓劇堆積如山，紛紛割價，蔚為奇觀，泡沫危機，未可料也。投機短視是人性根本，中國人的自私更得天獨厚一點，無須贅言。但是，制造“財富”的機會率相應提高，上到車的話，泡沫爆炸又如何？炒下人民幣先......

(信不信由你.....玄學角度，過幾年情況會出現一些“突破”，突破是指向概念和形而上的，到時業界的地位會“忽然提高”，有d似IT股泡沫爆炸前，乜都.com變左乜都CG，Fresh grad起薪20K，好鬼過癮。)

[crazylo]

wolf

香港有咩書好介紹的? 有助於3d的, 我搭車返學日日都睇參考書, 有些對我幫助唔大...希望你可以分享哪一本系好書的? 一定要同3d有關~~~謝謝!!