[討論] 龍刀奇緣 DragonBlade

[海味店大佬]

If want to get better

We need renderman ok !!!!!

the maya render is not enough !!!

無錯 renderman 絕對可以 render 得更靚. Maya render 始終有佢既不足, 唔系既話 佢都唔會免費引入 MR 系 maya 入面. 佢地制作人員都知道. 另外套片入面好多時 Texture 都出現閃既情況出現, 原因好簡單系 bumbmap 所做成, 用 renderman 當然可以解決呢方面既情況出現. 呢點系呢套片問題既其中之一, 希望日後可以有些人士能夠多D為呢方面著手改善一下呢個問題, 正面討論先會帶來進步.
正如 God 兄所講 原主保佑大家. 希望日後能夠見到有所進步...

[badBoy]

其實大家支持呢套戲, 某程度都系想支持返本地制作,不過講真, 如果套戲始終都系唔掂, 大家又可以支持得幾多次?

而且felini同Qbb都系針對個導演同編劇gei, 大家又可必咁慶呢?

大家都有不同觀點, 可必攪到好似大家互相亂扣帽子?不愛看就等如不支持本地CG? 希望大家尊重言論自由,繼續發言~

[luxoJr]

睇之前已經聽過好多人話dragonblade差, 睇完發現實在是大開眼界, 大家一定要睇, 因為它帶出了有很多思考的空間......

1, 前期工作(preproduction)的重要性

故事/劇本/storyboard是一套電影的藍圖, 其後所有的工作都是建基於此, 做得好已是成功的一半, 但如偷工減料, 即有如把樓房建在一盤散沙之上.

此片的故事主線不明確, 有很多地方沒有交代/草草了事, 經常浪費了很多精彩的故事重點, 如擂台比賽的場次完全沒有表現比賽的緊張, 只用了剪接把許多打架堆拚成如mtv的大雜耍, 更可怕的是已輸的角色多次在台上比賽, 令人完全不理解比賽在攪什麼, 一輸雜耍之後, 竟宣布主角是冠軍! 完全沒有起伏, 沒有高潮. 而另一重要失誤在故事最後(本應是全片高潮)的取潛龍刀一幕, 這本是表現主角通過重重考驗而成功的高潮所在, 卻不斷串插著其他人對抗野豬王的悶位, 對故事完全起不了緊張感之余, 也錯過了高潮, 白費氣力. 反而主角取潛龍刀的過程來得太容易, 更有許多"夾硬來"的位置, 令人失望.

夜了, 明天再寫.....

[ualldumb]

To fellini
你用好激既言論去批評人= 發表意見,香港'應該'是一個自由的地方
我用好激既言論去批評你 = 講多無謂...不容異見之地 ?

呢D系咪雙重標准？


To Badboy
Qbb的食字粗口發言，
系咪只系"又可必咁慶"既言論？

haha
我就好想當事人睇到勒

[fellini]

呢句: 你用好激既言論去批評人= 發表意見,香港'應該'是一個自由的地方 唔o巖
和
呢句: 我用好激既言論去批評你 = 講多無謂...不容異見之地 ? 正確,
但都唔系好激,有d惡意, 同串o者. (不過我原先以為你話qbb, 原來話我o架

成日叫大家看清楚....
我批評龍刀奇緣, 你就批評我.
討論題目系"龍刀奇緣"
唔系討論我呀

To Badboy
Qbb的食字粗口發言，
系咪只系"又可必咁慶"既言論？

代答: 你睇清楚 badboy 點講先啦

仲有咩好"咬"o者?
reply d 嗌交msg好厭呀...
停啦, 好唔好?

好似同你有仇咁.....

樓上有人開始正正式式討論啦, 仲浪費版位...

[HoE]

每人有每人唔同觀點, 所睇所聽所講既都有差別.
無論用粗口又好, 咩都好,大家都系講返自己心中對套電影既評論, 我唔知甘樣有咩問題. 偏偏有D人就喜歡反批評別人既言論,而唔系電影.

呢度系"影 片 討 論" 大家講返電影吧. 唔好嘈啦, 將來大家可能一齊工作做同事都未定.



不過套野就真系........

[ualldumb]

冇同任何人有仇
只系唔認同有D好激又矛盾既言論
接受唔到某D言論
覺得佢講唔通
持相反意見去批評
唔覺有太大問題
引言系好common 既forum function

[szetodog1]

今個星期六落畫未
想問

[道明寺]

想問下究竟一個Renderman Artist Tools license 要多少錢?
Renderman render license 每一粒cpu又要多少錢呢?
香港又有多少個Renderman artist呢?
在這條片制作之時,Maya to Mental Ray 好像還未能應用.

美國CG業由七十年代開始,1979年Lucasfilm 成立computer division 亦即現在的Pixar.
Pixar 在1995年制作了首部全CG動畫長片Toy Story.
Pixar research 有美國一流大學,如Stanford, Cornell, Utah等支持.
現在Pixar 差不多每年可以出產一部.

如果要和Sherk,Finding Nemo等比,就等同用一套港產實驗電影同美國荷裡活大片比一樣,不是太欠公平了嗎?

無疑可以改進的地方實在不少,但制作人員放下去的心血是可以看到的.
如果是因為該公司內部某些人在業界結下的私人恩怨作出惡意評擊,從而影響到其他人對該片有壞印象,對真正落手制作的員工來說是一件十分悲哀的事.

[CGSmallPotato]

I totally agree 道明寺.

Ummm.. I watched the movie. Ummm.. Not so bad..(no need 擺睇). :D But.. Also not so good... certainly room for improvement ( just like CGBaby opinion).

But.. Be the first CG movie in HK.. I think the staff, Boss, Investor and all the ppl who involve inside had took a huge afford to do it..

While I had watching the movie, I heard many laugh from a kid..they enjoy it . So. Be a part of an entertainment. Dragon Balde had done his job. ( although can be better)

IN CG part..

Animation : some scene is great.. such as Fighting shoot. But some was awkward...

Texture : OK la... have a Cartoon style.. but also.. can be better..

Lighting : Same as texture. But some shoot didn't hook-up... maybe the editor problem la....

FX: Ummmm... OK la.. But... the fire can be better lor..

Script : ummm.. Young Age maybe think it's good

So... Be a Movie... Dragon Blade is better than some HK made movie. They will have better result if the promotion is better...

[CGSmallPotato]

I also feel very sorry about the CGBaby's experience. As dlcc said.
there are plenty in CG industry in HK. They just like a kid. So childish. But.. they are our " professional CG artist... wowww... What kind of CG world in HK will be...???!!!
So.. We need take more afford to make a change. ( even in HK or US )..

[Willie]

作為cg新人的角度睇,做得好好.
不過作為一般觀眾,感覺真系痳痳地,故事沉悶,情節平淡,不順暢...
具體有幾點想同大家分享:
1. 假設這套動畫的市場對像系一家大細,為什麼一眾同學仔贊女主角靚時,鏡頭望的不是她的臉,而會是佢既pat,試想小朋友看了會想什麼?家長又會比小朋友睇這種卡通嗎?這是嚴重的錯誤!

2. 講到女主角和弟弟掉落山崖,竟然聽到有細路睇到卡卡笑,故事情節根本不能牽動觀眾情緒.

3. 男主角最終能拿到龍刀的原因,竟然系用講古仔既形式交待.表達手法差了點吧.

4. 最後就系睇完成套戲,好似冇得著,沒有今人深思的地方.(要聽家姐話,不然會"廠"禍,系唔系其中之一呢?)

[ualldumb]

3. 男主角最終能拿到龍刀的原因,竟然系用講古仔既形式交待.表達手法差了點吧.

呢段分割畫面交待故仔真系幾突兀
睇雜志個編劇話講"武德"，個人就唔系好feel到


另外，CGbaby 既遭遇
已經比人(唔知系咪佢本人) post 上 CG Talk

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=200602

如果屬實，
唔知個班想唱衰唱通街既人
對於佢地既所作所為能夠升華到國際層面
系咪好開心呢？


Yoda:"Hate leads to suffering."

[海味店大佬]

嘩 乜 CGbaby 既遭遇 事件攪到去到國際層面,引起好多既關注.實在不幸,亦希望CGbaby 明白這些分子只系少數人等的幼稚行為, 本人亦相信香港其實有很多優質的香港CG工作者.佢地亦令香港CG行業打進了國際.

[CGbaby]

I deeply appreciate everyone's comments. It is, unfortunately, true that now my experience is posted on CGTalk and people are talking about it from a totally different level. My intention was not to sabotage CGers in Hong Kong, but I really want people to start thinking that one must be responsible of one's actions, as sometimes, it involves innocent others. I concur with some of comments I've read on this Forum since I last posted. I guess the consensus is that professional CGers despise such childish behavior.

Nonetheless, I just want to say that I went to see this movie with absolutely no expectation. I just wanted to see what was being done 100% by a local company from storyboard to story line, script and production. If we go to movies (as CGers) to learn and observe what was done not so well so that we can improve our own, and appreciate the good work of other's so that we may pay more attention to ours, I'm sure the industry will start to improve tremendously, as people will be competing in a healthy way, not in a sabotaging manner. Putting down others does not make one better.

By the way, does anyone know how long it took this company to finish this movie and how much was the budget? Just curious as everyone is comparing it with movies made by Pixar!

deadmanwalking