Individual Studio - What do you think ?

[Gunsmith]

Computers are getting faster , softwares are getting cheaper . More people learn and use CG . Setup of personal or small CG studio is no longer our daydream . But competitors around us are also getting stronger . It can be come easy and die easy . What do you think we should do to make us survive .

[3DMan]

你說得說沒錯,現今要去set up一間production house已不是難事,硬件與軟件價錢都變得便宜,最近一個Maya Complete都只降價至$1,999USD,加上業內環境animator職位嚴重短缺(或受壓搾),的確令不少動畫師喚起自組公司的念頭,本人亦見過一些由數個人組成,甚至one-man-band形式的CG公司,他們當接到較大量的工作時,才會以"外判"形式分發工作予其他小型公司或臨時雇用一些freelancer,由於這種經營方式較能有效去控制成本,故往往以較低廉的收費吸引客戶,本來良性競爭並無問題,但有些公司為求奪job,會以“o?”價形式去接,如此下去就演變成惡性循環,以往過萬港元的flying logo現降至幾百塊成交,當然我明白知識普及後收費必會受壓下調,但如此“o?”價最終亦會玩死市場,以為益了自己,反而害了自己,其實CG內裡是一門很高深的學問,大家也不應讓它降格為一種低價的技能,請給點尊嚴予自己喜愛的行業.

[tdk]

totally agreed.

another problem is, the client don't even know the quality different between experience and talented animator and some not so talented animator. they just want cheap price, ok, they get cheap quality CG as well.

I'm afraid CG industry will become another graphics layout business like few year ago. ($300 for a page of Catalogue design)

[Siegfried]

We paid a lot and time wasted to gain what we thougth worthy, and 3D is a time-consuming technique that you needed to rake your brain. Unlike 2D graphic, 3D is more complex to interpret, so I think we need more respect from others as we pay more than the other designers. In my company, no other designer would appreciate 3D as they think 3D is rubbish, expensive and time wasting. What the hell am I suppose to do with it? It would be a cycle if we keep depreciate our 'price' like this. Many 2D product designer started to draw their product in fake 3D by Corel Draw and Photoshop, of course its all rubbish to me. 3D can not be replaced at all but for the boss, they don't concern 3D, they concern$ and time. Anyway, they are the one who assign the job to us and we are the one who draw, who cares it it beautiful or not.
We've got to do something for out valuable industry!

[feverheat]

Siegfried，唔好嬲！！！ 氣動無益，其實你地咁勁又熱愛CG，點解唔自己圍埋搞個production team，做D prodcution work ，俾D外國人睇我地D CG production 都好勁架！！一來自娛，二來俾我地D初學者有機會學下野啦！
其實都好多人提議過，不如行動啦！？ 我知你地掂既！！！ : ) : )

[Gunsmith]

It is fun to see something in CG-Forum which is similar to challenge project @ CG Talk.com . or anybody interested to join a team . send me a private message

http://www.cgtalk.com/

[Gunsmith]

It is fun to see something in CG-Forum which is similar to challenge project @ CG Talk.com . or anybody interested to join a team . send me a private message

http://www.cgtalk.com/

[Bigeye]

I agree the suggestion of make the challenge project which similar as CG Talk.com. In CG Talk, they are not only challenge of the finial project, but also the start project (included the concept drawing). They will give more belief to the guys.
I'm happiness to hear that if guys could join a team to discuss about CG. Or maybe we could group our power to make a great animation.... May I ask one question, how do we group together?

[feverheat]

第一：要有一個聯絡人
第二：大家要約一個方便既時間出黎傾一傾或者post 一個主題等大家可以俾D意見。直至最後有劇本為止。 (例如：場景，時間，燈光，鏡頭角度，對白。)
第三：要分工
第四：約一個時間大家交功課，合成出黎睇下Work 唔work，睇下所分工部份自己適唔適合做。
第五：如果要修改，就回第四部。
第六：Puiblish

***** 要找一個可以監工既人，keep住大家合作spirit*******

要有一個地方，可以大家出黎交工課，點好呢？

[Bigeye]

Good question, feverheart! Good guy and good place are the most important things in group term. And the guys must be a great guy, you know this men need to giveup his/her self-time to control all the people. Does anyone have this ability to do this?

[feverheat]

如果有人肯做，我願意做Assitance 啊！！ : )

[pirotase]

Sounds interesting ~~
Hmm..... what I can do .??

Hehe

Pirotase

[3DMan]

你們不妨考慮組成一team參加一些比賽或動畫展, 至少大家可朝著deadline進發, 否則容易因制作時間過長而漸漸失去耐性及方向,最後放棄。
還有少約四人就夠了,否則自討苦吃。

[Bigeye]

Cool~! Cool~!

I could be a supportor, too! But I have no good place, la! How about someone ?

[克虎刃]

當然如果可以真系可以做到一個咁o既team project會系一件非常好的事啦.........就算出黎o既結果未如理想,都絕對會為大家作為一個寶貴的經驗,一個參考!!!我十分支持呢個決定~
不過話分兩頭,其實系執行上可能有好多問題,雖知呢個可能會系一個長時間的project,可能長達半年,一年.....大家都可以話系為左理想去付出,未到最後,都唔知會有乜成果,如果冇一定的恆心同努力系不易成功的~要知道這絕對是長期抗戰!
而且group project講求合作同分工,最緊要仲系思想及方向一致~
而一個有信服力,公平,肯付出自己大部份時間的人作為leader,更是不易覓到的~
而我相信一個完善的計劃(planning),才是成功的關鍵!!(我指的是最少以完成這個project為目標!)
所以我有一些提議!
1)首先我希望版主可在forum之內設立一個位置,作為group project討論區~
2)有興趣的朋友可以在那裡throw一些idea或意見,作為brain storming...而且更可以知道是否真的有很多人願意參與!!!或只是少數人有興趣....
3)*在那裡,希望大家可以無私的把自己的所長發揮出來,有正的idea或最好的東西盡量拎出來,大家討論,接受批評,而後作出改善~
雖知我們大部份人在3d動畫方面都是初哥,如果想要有進步,就要接受批評,所謂集思廣益,不要再各自閉門造車吧~
4)我覺得第一步,大家可以先試試throw ideas,一齊brain stroming... 或提出一些大家喜愛的題材....如科幻的,cutie的,cartoon的,真實的,或者是真實加cg的,神話的等等....
....依閣下的喜好,找尋志同道合的朋友,(雖然我們都喜愛3d,不過總會各有所好吧!)然後才試試一起合作,總好過合作過後才發覺意見不合,最後不歡而散吧!!!
5)首先可以是ideas,劇本,conceptual sketches, 簡單的modeling,技術支援,善意的批評為主,互相刺激大家的思維....藉以找尋共識,然後各自依喜好找尋合作伙伴~分工合作!!!
6)其實現在科技發達,大家可利用icq,或forum進行討論....根本不用那麼痳煩約出來,耍知若要集合一班人定期聚會絕對不是一件易事,而且透過網絡討論,一來公開,可以集思廣益,二來時間彈性,三來大家都不知對方的身份,批評及討論的時候可以更加盡情,不用那麼多顧忌!!!相信會更為有效率!!!
7)希望大家可表明立場,自己最擅長的是什麼,MODELING,lighting, texture, product, interior, script, editing, art direction and so on.......然後分工合作~
要知道這是一個group project,最後成果是屬於大家的....雖然有些朋友可能只是cg的初哥,不過他們對cg的熱情卻不比大家少的,希望大家合作時不要只是計較找尋高技術的伙伴,而忽略了他們....正所謂有錢出錢,有力出力,沒有高低之分吧!!!!

以上全是個人意見,不過實是本人之願望,希望我們一批cg有心人,可以團結一致,做一些真正local,hk出品的高水准作品出來!!!!